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inparticular.ai
A cheap detangling spray and a basic comb on a Leonberger — that combination was never going to work, and it's likely been making things worse with every session. Leonbergers have a dense double coat with a long, coarse outer layer that needs proper penetration from a product, not just surface slip. Before I point you toward what will actually help: how bad are the mats right now — are we talking general fuzziness and early tangles, or solid clumps that have been building for weeks? And whereabouts on the dog are they worst?
It's mostly around his collar area, behind the ears, and his armpits. Some of them are pretty solid — maybe a couple of weeks old. He's 4 so his coat is fully in now and it's thick. The spray I've been using just sits on top and the comb just pulls and he hates it.
inparticular.ai
That makes complete sense. Those spots — collar, ears, armpits — are exactly where friction mats form on Leonbergers, and a watery detangling spray with a fine comb is basically useless against a solid mat on a coat that dense. You need something that actually soaks into the tangle and lubricates every strand, not just the surface. What comb are you using — do you know if it has wide-set teeth, or is it more of a fine-toothed grooming comb?
It's just a metal comb I got from a pet shop, fairly fine teeth. I've been trying to work through from the tip but it just snags.
inparticular.ai
Right — fine teeth on a solid Leonberger mat will snag every time, and working tip-first without the right product is just pulling the mat tighter. You're fighting the coat rather than working with it. Here's what I'd do: switch to Chris Christensen Ice on Ice Detangler. It's a professional-grade spray that actually penetrates dense double coats rather than coating the surface, and it's what a lot of Leonberger and Newfoundland owners rely on for exactly this situation. Spray it generously into the mat, leave it for a minute or two, then use a wide-tooth comb or a slicker brush to gently separate from the outside edge inward — never drag straight through. For the really solid ones, a mat splitter to divide the clump first will save you a lot of time and save him a lot of discomfort. The Ice on Ice is available on Amazon UK and one bottle will last you a long time on a dog this size.
That sounds a lot more targeted than what I've been doing. Should I be doing anything differently once the mats are out to stop them coming back in those spots?
inparticular.ai
Yes — the collar and armpit areas need attention every few days on a Leonberger, not weekly. Once you've cleared the current mats, run a wide-tooth comb through those friction zones every two or three days before they have a chance to knit together. A light mist of the Ice on Ice as a leave-in during maintenance sessions helps too — you don't need to saturate, just enough to keep the coat slippery. Also worth taking his collar off when he's at home if you can; that alone makes a big difference to the neck and ear mats. The goal is catching tangles when they're loose, not after they've had a week to tighten.
Brilliant, thank you. I'll order the Ice on Ice and grab a wider comb. Really wish I'd known this before I'd spent months fighting with the wrong stuff.
inparticular.ai
It's an easy mistake — the packaging on those cheaper sprays doesn't tell you they're formulated for lighter coats. You'll notice the difference immediately with the Ice on Ice on a coat like his. Get the wide-tooth comb sorted alongside it and those sessions should go from something he dreads to something manageable. Good luck with him.